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SSD not detected by BIOS on 2 different PCs

(@carrodethor)
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Hi, I'll tell you the problem. After having problems with the start of windows and not being able to repair it even using the installation disc, I decided to restore a backup and not waste any more time.

That SSD had 3 partitions, the hidden one created by windows in the installation, the system one and another hidden one created by the Samsung magician to reserve blocks. Well, instead of restoring as is I think I screwed up because I used Magician's secure erase option. And the problem is that after that deletion I have not been able to access it in any way. It is not detected neither by the Bios of the PC where it has always been mounted nor by another, in fact the "testing" of the Bios prior to starting windows is quite long.

I have contacted Samsung and since it is already out of warranty they do not give any solution in this regard. Above all, it annoys me that at no time said software indicated that this unit was in danger, in fact it always indicated OK with "good health"

I guess there is no solution, but if anyone has an idea I would appreciate the input.

a greeting

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Topic starts Answered : 04/06/2020 6:56 pm
 jmbv
(@jmbv)
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Hello, I understand that you have tried connecting the ssd to another pc with a primary disk already installed, right? And if so, have you not been able to access the disk to erase the partition table and partition it so that you can format it later?
Have you tried booting the system from a usb drive with a live linux like ubuntu or linux mint and once booted use gparted to partition and format the ssd?
Well tell me 🙂

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Answered : 05/06/2020 7:57 pm
(@carrodethor)
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I've tried on another pc, through a USB box, booting from a bootable usb... nothing. It is simply not detected and in fact causes the start of the 2 PCs to be quite slow when trying to recognize "what is there punctured" without success.

I don't know if it was already starting to fail, which I doubt because the Samsung Magician always told me that it was ok or that for some reason the safe deletion killed it... damn, how I regret not having killed the partitions and format.

At the moment I've got an old 2Gb OCZ Vertex 120 that I had on a mini pc and I've restored a backup from last year there.

a greeting

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Topic starts Answered : 05/06/2020 8:25 pm
 jmbv
(@jmbv)
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Try as I say with a usb flash drive with a live-usb image of a linux distribution, like linux mint, you boot, with use pendrive, with the ssd connected to the pc, and once you boot with gparted maybe you can partition the ssd drive. I don't know if you understand me, if I haven't explained your question well, here we are 🙂

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Answered : 05/06/2020 9:43 pm
(@carrodethor)
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The main problem is that if I connect it directly to the motherboard through a sata cable, the BIOS does not detect it, it tries for a long moment and then it lets the OS boot
And if I try to put it inside a USB box, well... nothing.

Both steps repeated in 2 different pc.

I am very afraid that if there is a solution, it will be at the engineering level using some type of programmer or similar.

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Topic starts Answered : 05/06/2020 10:50 pm
 jmbv
(@jmbv)
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I think I haven't explained myself 🙂 . I mean to boot from a usb pendrive with a different os (eg linux) and in the bios choose to boot from usb to boot from this usb pendrive. And with the ssd disk connected to sata. Once you boot with the operating system of the pendrive, not the ssd, there you partition the ssd disk. Maybe I am the one who has not understood you, but have you tried what I say?

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Answered: 06/06/2020 1:33 am
(@carrodethor)
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Hello again. I understood you perfectly, in fact I also tried to start the pc from a pendrive (the last test was using LinuxMint 19.3).

The ssd is not detected neither by plugging it into the Sata port of the motherboard nor by using a USB box afterwards. That happens starting from a pendrive or starting the system normally.

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Topic starts Answered : 06/06/2020 2:33 pm
(@jahe73)
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If I were you, I would watch the YouTube video "HARDWARE HOUR WEEK 92", I seem to remember that they talked about a program that recovered disks.

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Answered : 08/06/2020 9:41 pm
(@carrodethor)
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Hello, thanks for your contribution, but this case is not to recover data, in fact I did not lose them because before the secure deletion I copied them to an external hard drive. What I wanted was to be able to use that unit again, now I have a nice paperweight in the form of an SSD.

The problem is that this SSD is not detected/recognized in any of the 3 PCs that I have tried. It is not detected by BIOS before booting the system, or once Windows is started (neither by sata nor by USB) or booting with a pendrive.

Recommendation for anyone who reads this: be very careful with "secure deletions". If it is to erase data and reuse that unit, format and rearrange it and if you want to erase data because you are going to give it away, sell it, etc... it is better to use soft Eraser type.

a greeting

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Topic starts Answered : 09/06/2020 6:32 pm
 jmbv
(@jmbv)
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But are you clear that the problem is the secure deletion? It is very rare that you cannot access and format it as we said from linux with gparted, unless the ssd unit has a fault, it is defective. And software like Getdataback or AOMEI Partition Assistant help you with data recovery and partitioning. And about the safe deletion I have used it many times with samsung ssd and I have not had any problem to use the disks again.

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Answered : 09/06/2020 6:57 pm
(@carrodethor)
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I'm not 100% sure, but it's what works best for me. It is true that from one day to the next when starting windows from that SSD it gave me screenshots, and from there the attempts to repair it even with the windows DVD. Failing those attempts is when I wanted to restore a backup (after the fateful deletion).
That same SSD tested with the Magician on another PC (before deletion) was OK.

I think something failed in the erase and something was uploaded. And I repeat, I can't do anything with it, not even starting from a flash drive or anything, because it's simply as if it didn't play anything. Another thing is that unit "X" Samsung 840 Pro came out, from there I partition and format as it is, but if it is not detected in any way...

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Topic starts Answered : 09/06/2020 7:16 pm
(@jahe73)
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I know the ssd controller is broken. In that case, the Magician would not have to detect the failure since he only monitors the state of the memory cells and would not detect a failure in the Controller. He also may have cracked any other component of the ssd (resistors, capacitors, etc...).
Lucky friend.

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Answered : 10/06/2020 5:30 pm
(@carrodethor)
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Sure, any component may have cracked. I have opened it, mainly out of curiosity, and I have not seen anything broken or burned. Although it does not matter I have neither the knowledge nor the means to check where the error is.

At the moment I'm using the first SSD I bought, a 120 Gb OCZ that I had plugged into a miniPC and later I'll get a new one although I'll have to see the brand/model and capacity.

A greeting.

PS: If any mods see this, see if you can move this thread to where it belongs, which would be Hardware/Storage Units. I didn't realize this when I opened it, sorry.

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Topic starts Answered : 13/06/2020 10:44 pm
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