The world tour of AMD RX Vega graphics cards begins, hiding all possible data, including brand and model of monitors and comparing it with a computer that supposedly would carry an NVIDIA GTX 1080.
The arrival on the market of the new AMD RX Vega graphics cards is a real unknown, since at the moment we only know that they will be presented on July 30 during SIGGRAPH 2017. The benchmarks that we have seen so far show an evolution of a supposed card graphics with Vega chip, which has improved 5% per month, possibly due to driver optimization. The only thing we know about Vega is its presence in the Frontier Edition and the truth is that the temperature and consumption data, which have been seen, are worrying.
Like everyone, we are looking forward to seeing AMD present in Los Angeles, but the situation in the graphics card market is far from as good as in the processor market. AMD has surprised Intel with Ryzen, which have optimal performance for a reasonable price, arousing the interest of many users looking to upgrade their equipment. Kaby Lake is a no-nonsense platform and it shows the comfort on the part of Intel during the last two years in the processor market, where it seems that it has slept a bit and now AMD has given a blow to the market.
THE AMD RX VEGA GLOBAL TOUR HAS ALREADY STARTED, WITH FIRST STOP IN BUDAPEST
The graphics card market is another story. NVIDIA has dominated the market, as you can see today. The GTX 1070/1080/1080 Ti have no response from AMD in the market, since the AMD RX 400 Series barely competed with the GTX 1060 and RX 500 Series, they were between the GTX 1060 and the GTX 1070, with a consumption similar to the GTX 1080, which means that you have to look at the consumption and temperature factors significantly. AMD has been fortunate to find cryptocurrency mining successful, due to a sharp rise in the value of Ethereum and Zcash.
Now, the eternal promise of Vega was a graphical solution of adjusted price that would break the hegemony of NVIDIA, but it seems that that will not happen. The little data we have, due to AMD's obscurantism, suggest that a top-of-the-range RX Vega will compete with the GTX 1080. This top-of-the-range has an added drawback. If we pay attention to the latest leaks, the Vega XT, air-cooled, will have the superior version, top of the range, called Vega XTX, which will be cooled by an AIO liquid cooling system, just like the Frontier Edition. If we look at these data, the supposed consumption of the top of the range will be around 400W, an excessive consumption for a gaming graphics card that competes with the GTX 1080, which consumes just over half.
Yes, the data we have is very scarce, something that is not fully understood if AMD has such a good product in its hands. In Budapest, they have taken the obscurantism beyond a closed tower where nothing can be seen, the monitors were completely covered, preventing us from seeing their brand and model, something that seems quite rare, since there are plenty of monitors on the market with FreeSync and G-Sync to show the teams with the Vega and with the GTX 1080. The darkness has been so great in this event, that only Battlefield 1 has been allowed to move, without a FPS counter.
We must emphasize that the tour that has been proposed, with two stops before its official presentation, is meaningless, if it is to operate in such an occult way, even covering the monitors, it is something quite rare. The tour itself is meaningless, since carrying machines that allow you to see roughly how the graphs render, without giving more data, is a bit strange. Although it allows users to have a first experience, without assessable data, the experience becomes quite abstract.
At this point the rumors about NVIDIA's alleged moves will make more and more sense. Given the impossibility of AMD to launch a graphics card that competes in performance and consumption, simply competing for price, they will justify the delay of Volta until next year and launch a rehash of Pascal. I am not a fan of refried foods, but launching a new architecture on the market would not make sense unless the competition forced this, which is why NVIDIA seems to choose to leave Volta for the professional segment and improve the architecture and meanwhile, for the gaming market, get an improved Pascal solution, no more.
The strategy seems to be clear on the part of AMD, offering a graphics card with an acceptable performance with a lower price than NVIDIA solutions, although AMD's strategy could work against it. If NVIDIA launched a new solution that equates its mid-range with AMD's high-end, we would return to the current situation of market dominance, something that only benefits NVIDIA and that puts AMD in a bind, no matter how cheap they are. your graphs.
Since when does Nvidia have the need to launch a new architecture with AMD in mind?
Think about it, the Radeon Fury were a failure so Nvidia could still compete using the 900 series and yet they launched Pascal which for more than a year has no competition from AMD, even since Nvidia launched Kepler it had to halve its better GPU to be able to compete with the Radeon 7970, in fact, Kepler lasted two generations of AMD (7000 and 200 series).
In my opinion Nvidia has 3 options:
1.- Pascal Refresh to which I do not find sense because Nvidia has already launched "improved" versions of the Geforce 1080 and 1060, I can't imagine how much more Pascal could carry since the Geforce 1080Ti has 3584 cuda cores of the 3840 possible, in In other words, a hypothetical 2080Ti based on pascal would have a minimal improvement something that could easily be applied to other series without forgetting the problem of Pascal and low level APIs.
2.-Volta "trimmed" Do you remember what Nvidia did with Kepler? Volta has 5210 cuda cores, imagining a Geforce 2080Ti with 4096 cuda cores is possible and would have room for another generation as happened with Kepler and even so AMD would not have to respond.
3.-Complete Volta, well if Nvidia completely launched Volta ... "they would put it to AMD from below and it would come out of the mouth", excuse the analogy but it cannot be said more simply.
It doesn't cost anything to wait, my goodness, instead of throwing shit, let's wait "it would seem like they had a worm in their ass" excuse the analogy but it couldn't be simpler.
We have been waiting seven months for graphics cards that do not arrive. The presentations have been based on a logo, a t-shirt with a logo and something that no one has highlighted, a redesign of the initial Vega logo.
Why do you delete my comment so much it affects you because it shows for miles how fanboy you are a friend of that there is no doubt
the budapest and portlard events I suppose it would be the same, it was a blind test, they did not present anything because they have nothing to do with the Siggraph in las vegas as they commented, so they did not even give any technical data.
The event in budapest was a disaster, Tungler Antal from the Amd marketing department during the mini presentation for a slip pointed to the team on the left when talking about vega, jeopardizing the purpose of the event, although many did not realize it anymore that they were more for the two reasons of the girls present there.
The smartest ones realized that the monitor on the left was a 34hz Asus ultrawide MX100VQ, since they had forgotten to cover up a text that this monitor has on the side frame. The team on the right used the 348hz Asus ultrawide Rog PG100Q, as it was revealed by the symbols in the lower part of the right frame to indicate the functions of the buttons on its back. It must be said that the event was sponsored by Asus as well;).
asus ultrawide MX34Q monitor in budapest.
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This corroborated the slip of Tungler since the Mx34VQ is an Adaptive Sync and Freeesync monitor and the PG348Q is a device with nvidia G-sync, revealing that the device that vega was wearing was the one on the left and the one that was wearing nvidia the one on the right .
For the rest, since the purpose of the event was to do a blind test and say which one you thought was wearing Vega or which one you thought ran more fluid, they had covered the equipment to avoid its identification, they had even simulated the rear support of the PG24Q on the MX348Q monitor. With a cardboard tube to make it seem like it bulged the same, but if you looked closely from the side you could see that it was not.
Both teams mounted a ryzen on an Asus board with the same number of memory modules, it was something that could be seen by the part that they had left uncovered of the side window of the box, although the rest and especially the area where the Graphics had covered them well so that it could not be seen with plastic sheets.
In general, both teams ran BF1 well, the use of freesync and G-sync made it more difficult to say which of the two was better since you had no additional means to determine it than your perception when playing the few minutes they left. In general, the one who voted as more fluid was the one from the left, although many voted for the one on the left because they had realized these details that I comment on.
Regarding the Nvidia graphics card, at least during the event talk they didn't give any details about it and avoided saying it, they focused on the differences between both computers being that one had a Vega + freesync monitor and the other a graphics card for Nvidia G-sync. The comment that it was a Vega RX gaming and a GTX1080 arose "supposedly" from a personal comment by Tungler to an attendee at the event, but at least during the talk they didn't indicate it at any time.
a video of the small talk they did at the beginning of the event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-mRJ2Y3110
The purpose of this event was to be a blind test, to present they did not present anything because they have nothing to do with the Siggraph in Las Vegas as they commented, so they did not even give any technical data. The event in budapest was a disaster, Antal Tungler from the Amd marketing department during the mini presentation for a slip pointed to the team on the left when talking about vega, jeopardizing the purpose of the event, although many did not realize it anymore that they were more for the two reasons of the girls present there.
Those who were astute realized that the monitor on the left was an Asus ultrawide MX34VQ 100hz, since they had forgotten to cover a text that has that monitor in the side frame. The team on the right used the 348hz Asus ultrawide Rog PG100Q, as it was revealed by the symbols in the lower part of the right frame to indicate the functions of the buttons on its back. It must be said that the event was sponsored by Asus as well;). This corroborated the slip of Tungler since the Mx34VQ is an Adaptive Sync and Freeesync monitor and the PG348Q is a device with nvidia G-sync, revealing that the device that vega was wearing was the one on the left and the one that was wearing nvidia the one on the right .
For the rest, they had covered the equipment to avoid their identification, they had even simulated the rear support of the PG24Q on the MX348Q monitor with a cardboard tube so that they seemed to bulge the same, but if you looked closely from the side you could see that it was not So.
Both teams mounted a ryzen on an Asus board with the same number of memory modules, it was something that could be seen by the part that they had left uncovered of the side window of the box, although the rest and especially the area where the Graphics had covered them well so that it could not be seen with plastic sheets.
In general both teams ran BF1 well, the use of freesync and G-sync made it more difficult to say which of the two was better since you had no additional means to determine it than your perception when playing the few minutes that they left. In general, the one who voted as more fluid was the one from the left, although many voted for the one on the left because they had realized these details that I comment on.
Regarding the Nvidia graphics card, at least during the event talk they didn't give any details about it and avoided saying it, they focused on the differences between both computers being that one had a Vega + freesync monitor and the other a graphics card for Nvidia G-sync. The comment that it was a Vega RX gaming and a GTX1080 arose "supposedly" from a personal comment by Tungler to an attendee at the event, but at least during the talk they didn't indicate it at any time.
I had put you images that corroborated the subject of the monitor and a link to the video of the presentation where Tungler's slip was seen, but it detects it as spam and deletes the comment. ; (
Let's see if it leaves me like that ...
monitor of the team on the left in budapest, which revealed itself to be an MX34VQ.
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video of the presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-mRJ2Y3110
I think that GCN no longer gives for more, they squeezed their entirety and they would have to consider moving to another more efficient and with more performance