We seriously doubt that AMD Vega graphics cards actually exist, as it is impossible that AMD's answer to the NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti and NVIDIA Titan Xp is ridiculous RX 500 Series graphics cards.
We have been with AMD Vega for months, that if it comes out, that if it does not come out, that it does appear, but in the end it does not. What we theoretically know about AMD Vega is that Linus Tech Tips showed us this supposed graphics card at CES 2017 in Las Vegas, but in an engineering version and a few months later some photos of a graphics card appeared on whose backplate the logo could be seen of the RX Vega. Everything indicated that the Capsaicin & Cream event would show us the first images of the RX Vegas, that we could see the graphics card, but in the end everything was left in a shirt that Raja Koduri was wearing with the Vega logo.
We have been eager for information about these graphs for months and we know some things, well, we have been shown some slides of them, which could assume that AMD Vega exists, but after analyzing all the information, we have serious doubts about the existence of AMD Vega. We have zero official data, supposedly we have seen this graphics card, well, Linus Tech has seen it, but far from all this we do not know much more. All the movements indicate that there are no operational graphics cards, we would only talk about engineering samples and AMD would not yet be in the process of manufacturing these graphics.
This has an explanation. RX Vega is on a mission to compete with NVIDIA for high-end graphics cards. NVIDIA in theory had to present the NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti at CES 2017, since they wanted to launch them in February, already having a large batch of cards for sale ready and part of the company's partners would have graphics to customize and make with them whatever they wanted. Everything was delayed after it was known that AMD in the end would not show the AMD Vega at CES 2017 as had been speculated.
NVIDIA created a specific event to show these new graphics, which happened to be the best graphics cards in the world for a price very internal to the Titan X Pascal, which, as we have seen, had its days numbered from the moment it was presented. GTX 1080 Ti, since by surprise and without prior notice NVIDIA has commercialized the Titan Xp, a graphics card monstrosity, which is based on the Titan X Pascal but with a modified GPU with all the CUDA Core enabled, this graph being the most powerful on the market.
AMD has not responded to the acts of NVIDIA, what's more, in a movement that we do not fully understand, it has launched the RX 500 Series, a clear rehash of the RX 400 Series graphics cards that hardly provide improvements in a lithography to improve the energy efficiency and that they have a slight improvement in frequencies, all this assuming in the best case a 10% improvement in overall performance. There is little point in releasing a rehash just over six months after the RX 400 Series was released.
Clearly AMD is very far from having the RX Vega available for launch and the company seems to have run into a problem with these new GPUs, but has not said anything about it. The silence and secrecy around these graphics cards clearly indicates that they do not have commercial versions ready and that during the engineering tests they would have run into some serious problem or perhaps have problems when manufacturing the GPUs in series, since it does not make sense keep delaying.
If the trend continues, AMD faces another problem with the RX Vega. NVIDIA would already have graphics cards with Volta GPUs in one of the last stages of development and could begin manufacturing in the near future, significantly advancing the time to market. Volta is initially planned for Q1 2018, but we could find that they seem in Q4 2017, probably in November and thus finish destroying AMD with its next generation graphics solutions and take advantage of the Christmas pull, where a lot of technology is given away and they buy a lot of equipment.
We are not saying that AMD Vega graphics cards do not exist, that some will exist, of course, but on the other hand we can say that AMD Vega does not exist as is, since they would not have models of these graphics cards ready. The excuse that is given by AMD that they want to have enough stock and that all manufacturers have enough graphics to flood the market with custom models, honestly, it seems like a mere smoke screen that hides some very serious problems. It hurts, because I have to say that I have become quite fond of Raja Koduri. AMD is battling on too many fronts and lurking senselessly.
What nonsense of speculations without providing proof, evidence or even a rumour with any basis, "We have serious doubts", really? , him, or, him.
In ciminalistica you cannot accuse murder without conclusive evidence and only with circumstantial evidence, in this case there is circumstantial evidence that tells us that the RX Vega could exist, but we still do not have any reliable evidence that these really exist.
Hahaha, I'm laughing my head off... ".... in November, destroy AMD..." just by reading that, everything is said about the intention of this, note? Sources? Any basis to support this?
The fact that we still do not have official and truthful information from VEGA ... that is the source
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumento_ad_ignorantiam
But neither that it exists. It's the same for both cases, you have no way to prove it.
When I talk to my colleague Raja Koduro I ask him, but come on, the RX 500 Series also want their minute of ephemeral glory
Ok, this is already interesting information, it is already something that can be taken seriously not like the other that does not contribute anything to show that AMD has no problems.
Then it is time to wait for the dates that VEGA is programmed.
It did not take long for the staunch fans of AMD to come out that instead of seeing, in effect, as Nvidia has been without competition in the High range for more than 1 year and let alone in the enthusiast range, so much so that competition is even being made to herself with the absurd launch of the Titan Xp, continue with her absurd faith ...
Intel had no competition for over 5 years and now look… Ryzen is beating Intel on almost all fronts except gaming where they are not far behind.
And who is talking about processors? Clearly we are talking about graphics cards and unlike Intel, Nvidia is a rival that shows where its resources go, just look at the graphic beasts that they have launched.
You talked about AMD and its “diehard fans.” AMD sells CPUs and GPUs… On both fronts it was lagging behind. If it managed to get ahead in CPUs, I don’t see why it can’t do the same in GPUs, considering that it sells both to the companies that sell the most consoles worldwide and on which developers focus the most.
And I ask again what do the processors paint? The article clearly talks about graphics cards and if you read the other comments they clearly talk about the same thing.
But if you insist, I will tell you again that unlike Intel, Nvidia has not fallen asleep for 4 years getting refried, there is a clear difference between all Nvidia architectures, Kepler is inferior to Maxwell in every way, and Pascal is superior to Maxwell in all respects, for these reasons I find it difficult for AMD to match Nvidia.
I think I already answered you in my previous comment… It was also difficult for AMD to match Intel and it did so. You say that nVidia hasn’t released any remakes? Hahaa ok we better stop here because this is not going to lead anywhere 🙂
You have reading comprehension problems that is clear.
Nvidia has not released the same rehash for 4 years (I never said not to rehash)) as Intel has done, that is the difference between Intel and Nvidia, that one has rested on its laurels and the other has not, each new generation is more powerful and better than the previous one, improves consumption and temperatures.
And yes, it won't get anywhere by looking at your reading comprehension.
You have problems with false thinking and outright fanboyism by novideo and mientel
You see, apart from having reading comprehension problems, you are retarded and an AMD fanboy, so much so that you didn't even realize I was accusing Intel of doing things wrong, and clarifying that there is a clear difference between Intel and Nvidia, but you, as an AMD fanboy, tell everyone who attacks your beloved company that you come out with the typical childish phrase "it's because you're a fanboy of Nvidia and Intel", without seeing the problem that there is with AMD being 1 year behind in the high-end range compared to its rival.
Not really, I'm a fan of competition and talking with people who understand arguments and open their minds a bit. In fact I have had more platforms from Intel / nVidia than AMD / ATI. The problem is that your discussion is tiresome since you base your arguments on fallacies and on not listening to what the other says ... If you were as good a reader as you think you are (rather you seem a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect), you would be able to observe that I was not even contradicting you but simply giving another point of view with complementary data ... It was you who started to get pissed off and be childish, but obviously since you have a very high regard for your cognitive abilities in relation to that of others, you will not be able to recognize it.
I read what you say and I see nothing but a pretentious, talking about the Dunning-Kruger effect and fallacies when you say that Intel and Nvidia are the same thing, and I show you that it is not like that, that there are differences.
The fact that you told me that I had said that Nvidia had not released remakes is sufficient proof to show how you did not understand what I told you and just went off on a tangent (I clearly said that Nvidia did not release the same remake for 4 years in a row like Intel did with its processors). How curious, you pretend to be "open-minded" and you did not understand that there is a clear difference between Intel and Nvidia.
Intel rested on its laurels for being the leader in the processor market, while Nvidia, even being the leader in the graphics sector, has not slept.
Yes, I also like that there is competition but due to the incompetence of AMD, Nvidia has high prices.
That's right, nVidia is a tougher rival because of the intense momentum it carries, Intel tried to invade other markets and did not fare as well while nVidia was much more successful especially in the automotive market. I am not saying that AMD has it easy but I hope that it will be able to stand up to it for the good of the market and of us consumers.
Only that I had understood you perfectly from the beginning, however the attitude is different, so if we can be more civilized.
Ok so it was an attitude problem, I apologize, part of the ass was mine.
Yes, that's what I meant, that despite the fact that AMD brought out some good processors capable of fighting Intel in the graphics field, it may need even more effort since its rival at this time seems not to want to make it easy for them, but we have to wait
Here is a difference, Intel released for 4 years products with "minor" improvements to call it somehow and that was taken advantage of by AMD, even so, AMD needs sales and not cheerleaders, so far Intel has not officially changed its prices, in my opinion Ryzen sales are not as relevant for Intel to modify prices as some claimed out there.
Nvidia has not given AMD a break in 4 years even at this moment Vega is a year behind and Volta is on the way, this is a never ending story because when Volta is coming Nvidia goes on to what follows and AMD can't seem to keep up, unless Nvidia releases video cards with 4% improvement for 10 years, something that obviously won't happen.
There are differences, it is true, however AMD has several competitive advantages: to begin with, it is the only company capable of manufacturing high-performance and professional CPUs and GPUs at the same time, they are even working on a super APU for the professional sector, which neither intel nor nVidia are able to achieve at the moment. Second, it has most game developers on the side thanks to its business alliances with Sony and Microsoft. The nVidia advantage is not purchased or written in indelible ink at the destination, so your luck could turn at any time. nVidia has done well to keep innovating but has done wrong to be closed off in its ecosystems and to constantly seek to create captive markets.
I don't know how strong this AMD is at the moment for the following reasons:
1.- Ryzen did not kill Intel, watch out for that since it was said that the next "GREAT" AMD architecture in CPUs will arrive in 4 years, which is not without sense since AMD does not have the habit of renewing architectures in the short term .
What does this mean? AMD gave Intel a good blow, but after waking up the giant now AMD has to endure all the blows from Intel and be careful, Intel did not launch processors with more cores for "technological impossibilities" but for a commercial strategy.
2.-When AMD has the technology it can hit first and very hard. The clear example of this is the Radeon 5000 series, it arrived 7 months before Fermi at higher prices than the 4000 series. Why hasn't AMD launched Vega? And at that rate, how long will it take you to develop Navi? Be careful, Navi is Volta's competitor and Nvidia has been working on it for months.
3.- In consoles there are only 2 winners Microsoft and Sony otherwise it would not be a business for them, AMD only participates, but it is not the one that takes the highest profits, this is obvious. AMD would give everything to have the solid technology and economics of Nvidia instead of being in all the consoles except the switch.
Finally, advocating bad luck for Nvidia is not very smart. I remind you that Nvidia ended up with 3DFX, if you had a VooDoo you will know what that meant 20 years ago.
AMD is not strong, it is much smaller than Intel and nVidia. But nevertheless:
1.- It didn't need to kill Intel. Many analysts agreed that all AMD needed to get back in the game was to get a little closer to Intel, which it not only achieved but also gave everyone a nice surprise. The Ryzen 1800X competes in the semi-professional and multi-threaded arena against Intel's HEDT platform, something that absolutely no one expected. In single-threaded performance, it was only slightly behind the 7700K, and in games, it runs slightly slower in fps (a debatable issue since some analyses appeared noting that Kabilake produces a less fluid sensation). AMD doesn't need a radical architecture; Ryzen is much better than we expected. All it needs is to polish the architecture, gain a little more IPC, a little more frequency, and a little less consumption, and with that, it will have enough to compete until 2020, the year Intel's next major architecture is expected.
2.- With regard to Vega, we will see what happens, it is expected in May / June and doubts will be dispelled, I think that performance will go hand in hand with 1080. Navi is the next great graphics architecture from AMD, that I know is going from new concepts, it is still too early to talk about those architectures however AMD does well in the mid and low range and their software team has been working hard steam, many agree that the days of bad ati drivers are coming to an end. It is going well, much better than many believed, it will not die and it will last for a while.
3. You underestimate too much what the console market has done for AMD, if it weren't for them, it might have died. AMD is far from being a passive participant in the development of games, every day more studies are added to the open initiatives of AMD and not even in the PRO market where it is finally beginning to shine.
I never advocated nvidia's bad luck, if you realize all I did was present a fact: the technology market is highly variable and unpredictable to some extent, those who have the throne today tomorrow who knows and it is not always a matter of luck , the decisions of companies play a fundamental role, nVidia has decided to be very aggressive and has passed over others on too many occasions, it has been very good so far, will it always work out? We cannot know.
We agree on something, whatever happens AMD has it very difficult. Even if he was better than all, it would take him several years to fully enter the public's mindshare. AMD is fighting an uphill battle against two monsters but who knows, some little ones sometimes give surprises.
What an article worthy of an Nvidia + Intel fanboy... zero objectivity... assuming things that don't make sense... Is this supposed to be news? XDDD What you have to read...
Vega is in everyone's hearts, and they will arrive in summer.
The expressions issued by some people in defense of AMD remind me so much of those expressed by "Linuxeros" against Microsoft, only that in this case the bad guys are Intel and Nvidia.
I do not remember that people defended AMD so much since even in the days of the extraordinary Athlon FX the best processors in the history of AMD, the Radeon 9000 series the best ATI series and the Radeon 5000 series the best AMD series I never saw anything similar (The series is a personal opinion).
In fact, I expected to see a “brave” publication like this that would be encouraged to comment on the reality of AMD outside of the Ryzen hype where some fans claimed that AMD would end Intel and Nvidia and it is not.
AMD is in trouble since even the 500 series without Vega does not guarantee AMD to sell in a similar way to Nvidia in case that were not enough Volta is not far, we will see if Nvidia allows you to live AMD as Intel did or end up pigeonholing AMD.
With the actions of Nvidia it is difficult to say, it has the most powerful gaming focused card on the market but also the most expensive, so it is difficult to answer your question.
In my opinion the best thing that Ryzen did was break Intel's lethargy, personally I hope to see this giant in "combat" mode since it was 4 years on the defensive, however, AMD gave a very clear lesson for Nvidia " Give me the opportunity and I will hit you ”, I don't think Nvidia has plans to kill AMD, but I don't think they will let them grow too big.
Nobody here has talked about good or bad. Nvidia and Intel are excellent options. What is being criticized here is an absurd article, without a document in which thoughts that go through the head of a person without sources or foundation of any kind are taken for granted. Remember that competition is good, and it is what makes brands grow as well as adjust prices.
It's not so much about defending AMD, but look at the quality of the article. This guy makes statements based on nothing, the exact opposite of what alquilen should do. In theory, he should dedicate himself to "informing."
Excellent comment and yes… the Radeon 9000 Series and HD5000 Series were the best and best attack on their competition ..
What a biased and speculative article! The author even seems to have a spy inside AMD. To make matters worse, the last paragraph becomes a complete contradiction. It would be better to wait for AMD's charts to appear and see if they really want there to be enough inventory for everyone, since in all of the latest releases (of both GPUs and CPUs), inventory hasn't been enough to meet demand. So, before making such nonsense and speculating, it's better to wait.
This man when you put a comment that his blog is in favor of intel or nvidia deletes it seriously, it makes me sad and laugh and the worst thing is that the hardware news has it full in google it makes me angry but hey, it's always good to read from everything
The 1080 Ti and Titan Xp negligible performance improvement, man, that the 1080 Ti outperforms the 30 by 1080% does not seem insignificant to me and that it will make the Titan X Pascal obsolete either. The Titan Xp like its predecessor are not graphics cards designed for gaming, they are more of a hybrid between GeForce and Pascal, so to speak. Regarding the 1060 and 1080, they have improved the memories, come on, it is an update without more, they are not selling you new graphics with slight improvements, for that there is already AMD.
The difference between the GTX 1060 and GTX 1080 with the new GDDR5 and GDDR5X memories respectively, with the RX 500 Series, is that the NVIDIA graphics are worth the same and nothing has changed in the GPU parameters and in the RX 500 Series has been made an OC by AMD of 5% at most, the same memories have been placed as in the RX 400 Series and the lithography has been slightly retouched and they are launched on the market with a new price. Do you see the difference between update and rehash?
The 1080 rehash of what?
Leaving aside the fact that the article is poorly written with statements with no real basis other than: “since there is only smoke: they do not exist”…
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-8-gb-hbm2-teaser-video-leak/
You do not have to go to look for info elsewhere, here it is, made by me:
https://hardwaresfera.com/noticias/las-tarjetas-graficas-amd-vega-tendran-4gb-8gb-memoria-hbm2/
https://hardwaresfera.com/noticias/amd-prepara-siete-tarjetas-graficas-basadas-amd-polaris-12-otras-siete-basadas-amd-vega/
https://hardwaresfera.com/noticias/sisoft-deja-ver-una-grafica-amd-vega-con-la-referencia-687fc3-y-4096-stream-processors/
https://hardwaresfera.com/noticias/nuevos-datos-de-la-amd-vega-la-pondrian-por-encima-de-la-nvidia-gtx-1080/
https://hardwaresfera.com/noticias/amd-estaria-trabajando-casi-exclusividad-drivers-las-amd-vega/
They would be a dream of Resines, it does not fuck you
How strange here they say that it does not exist while there are other websites that currently show that the rx vega would be ready since a teaser of this one circulates ... They even talk that these would be in potential on even the titan xp ... Weird that this is the only website that I have seen with that characteristic rudeness towards AMD. Moreover, I do not know what kind of news is a personal opinion of the author, because for a news item to be news, it is far from being a personal idea.
Existing architecture itself exists. Exist an engineering graph, it exists. There may be a sample sample. We see a video of a video with a rather pitiful quality. There are no mass produced graphics. It is curious how quiet there is around AMD RX Vega and the RX 500 Series appear, which do not offer tacit improvements and consume much more than their predecessors, the RX 400 Series and let's not talk about the NVIDIA GTX 10 Series.
AMD and SMOKE. Nothing new
Sure and the Ryzen wouldn't exist either ......
Man, considering that the Ryzen are two processors in the same package to perform less in games than a 4C / 8H processor (I am referring to the Ryzen 7), I can not say that they do not exist, but they have a lot of tricks.
Not even Intel looks down on it as much as you….
Thank you, it's music to my ears
Well, at least your optician draws attention. For maximum, no offense, you do not affect anything ... ..so I say goodbye and wish you luck.